Andrea Turto – Von Meijenfeldt

Andrea Turto, ak-eins@creatures.org, Finland.

CH-412

Finland, 20 maart 2006

Hallo,

ich hoffe, ich darf auf Deutsch schreiben, ich kann Niederländisch zwar lesen, aber nicht gut sprechen. Ich bin eine direkte Nachfahrin von Sophie Elisabeth Thilo und Pastor August Thilo, die auf Ihrer Webseite erwähnt sind.

Leider konnte ich Ihre entsprechende Seite, http://home.tiscali.nl/familiearchief/354.htm, nur noch im Google-Cache lesen, da die Seite zur Zeit über Ihre Webseite nicht zu erreichen ist. Es handelt sich um die Seite “Legaat voor Augusta Juliana Tilow-Meyern”.

Ich würde sehr gerne einige Informationen abgleichen beziehungsweise austauschen, da es Unterschiede gibt. Das “Deutsche Geschlechterbuch” liegt mir leider nicht vor und ist für mich, da ich in Finnland wohne, nicht einfach einzusehen.

Aus Ihrer Webseite geht hervor, dass Pastor August Thilo und Helene Eggert die eltern von Theodosius Bernhard Christopher Thilo seien, und an anderer Stelle, dass Sophie Elisabeth eine Nichte von Theodosius sei. Das passt mit meinen Informationen nicht zusammen.

Hier die Informationen, die ich zu Thilo habe (Quelle: Deutsches Familienarchiv Band 1, aus dem Stammbaum der Familie Dreist).

1. August Thilo, Pastor, * Liepen 21.01.1721, + Klatzow (Kreis Demmin) 06.01.1804 oo Helene Elisabeth Eggert aus Gehren (Meckl.)

Tochter:
2. Sophie Elisabeth Thilo, * Groß-Tetzleben 22.12.1757, + Rügenwalde 28.06.1829
oo Klatzow (Kreis Demmin) 27.01.1779 Wilhelm Ludwig Meyer

Zu Wilhelm Ludwig Meyer: * Neuenkrug 19.07.1738, + 30.12.1823 Rügenwalde
von Beruf Forstmeister

Könnte es sein, dass es auf Ihrer Seite heißen sollte, dass Sophie Elisabeth eine volle Schwester von Theodosius sei? Denn das deckt sich mit meinen Informationen.

Ich hoffe, dass diese Informationen auch für Sie von Interesse sind, und würde mich sehr freuen, wenn ich die Ihnen vorliegenden Informationen zur Familie Thilo erhalten könnte.

Viele Grüße aus Finnland,
Andrea Turto

Bilthoven, 23 maart 2006

Dear Andrea Turto,

Thank you very much for your e-mail. I could have tried to write back to you in the German language, but that would have taken me a long time with unclear results. Perhaps I should have written to you in Dutch, but perhaps English helps you even better. If not, I could repeat this e-mail in Dutch if you ask for it.

The content of your e-mail is extremely interesting to me, because it is so close to the biggest secret in my family. I know that the Swedish count Meijerfeldt was the natural father of my ancestor, but who was the mother? I will have to visit one of our libraries to check the Deutsches Geschlechterbuch once again. Only then I can give you a more clear picture. That will take me some time, therefore I give you this short message.

Kind regards,
Hugo von Meijenfeldt

Bilthoven, 30 mei 2006

Dear Andrea Turto,

More than two months ago I promised to come back to you with regard to the Thilo family. I had a close look in the Deutsches Geschlechterbuch 145, Pommernband 7, page 313-412. That leads to the following information:

There is a range of August Thilo’s, Pastors in Liepen: August 1653-1713, his son August 1688-1748, his two sons August 1728-1804 and Johann Thomas 1730-1801. August married in 1754 Helene Elisabeth Eggert and Johann Thomas in 1755 her sister Amalie Tugendreich Eggert, both daughters of Georg Eggert 1692-1745 from Gehren.

With regard to Sophie Elisabeth Thilo the information reads that she was not a daughter of August and Helene, but of Johann and Amalie. She was therefore not born in Gross Teetzleben, but in Stolpe (Usedom) on 22-07-1757 (5 months before), indeed married to Meier, Oberförster, später zu Rothemühl. She had one older and one younger brother who died at the age of one, a sister and one brother Johann Friedrich August Thilo, who became Pastor in Schlatkow.

I could give you more details about places and dates, but perhaps you can give me your first reaction. My question to you is how you relate to Sophie Thilo and Wilhelm Ludwig Meyer. Did they perhaps have a daughter called Augusta Juliana Meyer?

If you wish you could answer in German.

Kind regards,
Hugo von Meijenfeldt

Finland, 30 mei 2006

Dear Hugo von Meijenfeldt,

I’ll answer in English, because it makes no difference to me and I think it might be easier to you.

Thanks a lot for getting back to me with this.

My only source of information for this part of my family tree is Deutsches Familienarchiv Band 1, the chapter about the Dreist family (my mother’s family), page 129. If you like, I could e-mail you a scan of this page; just let me know your preferred format. It isn’t much information that I have…

The information in my source starts with August 1728-1804, although his birth date is listed there as 21.01.1721 (not 1728). He married Helene Elisabeth Eggert, and they had a daughter Sophie Elisabeth — I realize I’m repeating myself from my earlier mail here.

With regard to Sophie Elisabeth Thilo the information reads that she was not a daughter of August and Helene, but of Johann and Amalie.

Hmmm. I wonder how to find out which source has the correct information — I wonder what the source of my source was; unfortunately no source is cited (other than Sophie’s daughter’s birth registry entry: “Pf. A. Golchen 1780 Nr.6”).

She was therefore not born in Gross Teetzleben, but in Stolpe (Usedom) on 22-07-1757 (5 months before), indeed married to Meier, Oberförster, später zu Rothemühl. She had >one older and one younger brother who died at the age of one, a sister and >one brother Johann Friedrich August Thilo, who became Pastor in Schlatkow.

Those differences in the data are a bit strange. Do you have any more information about their children?

I could give you more details about places and dates, but perhaps you can give me your first reaction.

My first reaction is mostly confusion 😉 I had hoped the information would match up a bit better than it does. Does the article in Deutsches Geschlechterbuch list any of its sources for this information?

My question to you is how you relate to Sophie Thilo and Wilhelm Ludwig Meyer. Did they perhaps have a daughter called Augusta Juliana Meyer?

I only know of one of their daughters, Karoline Sophie Johanna Luise Meyer, born in Golchen 15.11.1780, died in Altenschlawe 30.05.1855. She was my great-great-great-great-grandmother (married Samuel Christoph Dreist in 1809). So naturally I am interested in her direct ancestors.

Unfortunately, it doesn’t seem like I’m helping you much with your quest at this time, except raising more questions and finding more discrepancies…

Any more questions, feel free to ask — although I really don’t have much more data than I have already given you (all from half a page in Deutsches Familienarchiv).

Best regards,
Andrea Turto

Bilthoven, 5 juni 2006,

Dear Andrea Turto,

Thank you very much for your reaction to my last mail. Although you could be right that we are not able to help one another very much, there are a few items to research further.

Your only source is the Deutsces Familienarchiv Band 1, my only source is the Deutsches Geschlechterbuch Band 145. I could not tell which one is more reliable. More than 15 years ago I traced back the information about my ancestors.
Theodosius Thilo married Augusta Juliana Meienfeld, natural daughter of the Swedish fieldmarshall Johan August von Meienfeld. I wrote letters to the three authors and finally I travelled to Limburg an der Lahn to the building of the Historische Kommission für Pommern. There I studied for hours the papers of the main author Kurt Winckelesser, who died 10 years earlier. I could not fiend one clue in the papers.

There is no information about the children. The whole passage (on page 365) reads as folllows: “2. Sophie Elisabeth, * 22.7.1757, + …, x … 27.1.1779 … Meier, Oberförster, später zu Rothemühl.” There is no further information about the Meier of Meyer family. In Band 145 one other Meyer family is mentioned, with the remark that there are at least 5 other Meyer families on other volumes of the Pommersches Geschlechterbuch. If I have time to visit a library I could have a look, but that could take more time than 2 months.

If you would like to have more details about the ancestors of Sophie Elisabeth according to my source, I’m most willing to give you more data. Thank you for your offer to scan of copy your information, but I don’t think it will help me further.

Kind regards,
Hugo von Meijenfeldt